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r.s cr*ven said: First time ever, i spooled up a new reel with brand new "berkeley big game" 25 lb. and had a main line break off... this was simply pulling the line off the release clip. lost fish,new flasher & new spoon.. #@%&*!@# buddy was over tonite and examined the line to see several "bur's" and rough spots on the line.(brand new) It's going back to the store for them to look at ! scotty

w*lf said: Craven before you do make sure the guides on your rod are all ok especially the tip one little nick will screw up any line

w*lf said: Craven before you do make sure the guides on your rod are all ok especially the tip one little nick will screw up any line

Th*Rock said: Perfect example... Re-spool with 40lb.test... it will put up with a few nicks and scuff marks... As in my previous posts... "25lb. test gives me the shivers"

Th*Rock said: Perfect example... Re-spool with 40lb.test... it will put up with a few nicks and scuff marks... As in my previous posts... "25lb. test gives me the shivers"

J*andeOne said: IMO there's likely a logical reason for these "bur's" (eg. something along the lines of what Wolf stated), otherwise you got the one bad factory spool out of a thousand. As for 40 lb. test mainline, complete overkill. If you remove the first 30 feet of line every so often, you should have no problems, I never have in over twenty years. Not to mention the extra drag from 40 lb diameter line, good luck getting your gear in the mud (on the Banks) 180 feet down.

J*andeOne said: IMO there's likely a logical reason for these "bur's" (eg. something along the lines of what Wolf stated), otherwise you got the one bad factory spool out of a thousand. As for 40 lb. test mainline, complete overkill. If you remove the first 30 feet of line every so often, you should have no problems, I never have in over twenty years. Not to mention the extra drag from 40 lb diameter line, good luck getting your gear in the mud (on the Banks) 180 feet down.

Th*Rock said: Some people just don't get it... sad...

Th*Rock said: Some people just don't get it... sad...

D*gbreath said: quote:As for 40 lb. test mainline, complete overkill.Very much agree-these are Salmon we're after not Yellowfin Tuna.

D*gbreath said: quote:As for 40 lb. test mainline, complete overkill.Very much agree-these are Salmon we're after not Yellowfin Tuna.

*lley cat said: I run 30 lb main line and only use the heavier lines as leaders to impart action to the lure being used. Is it not true that the test strength you see on the package is only 1/3 of the true breaking strength ? I believe that the real breaking strength for 30 lb test is holding a suspended 90lb weight for a period of some time and can't rmember what the weights and measures people said it was, or was it CSA ? Anyway thats my two bits worth. AL

*lley cat said: I run 30 lb main line and only use the heavier lines as leaders to impart action to the lure being used. Is it not true that the test strength you see on the package is only 1/3 of the true breaking strength ? I believe that the real breaking strength for 30 lb test is holding a suspended 90lb weight for a period of some time and can't rmember what the weights and measures people said it was, or was it CSA ? Anyway thats my two bits worth. AL

T*ps Up said: Let'em run Rock. LOL!!

T*ps Up said: Let'em run Rock. LOL!!

Th*Rock said: I will and With great confidence...!

Th*Rock said: I will and With great confidence...!

Th*Rock said: I'm not here to argue... every one has their own opinion.. mine is to run 40lb. main line for many reasons as in my previous posts... Run what ever line you want.. Happy fishing! Edited by - TheRock on 03/13/2006 23:21:44 Edited by - TheRock on 03/13/2006 23:23:42

Th*Rock said: I'm not here to argue... every one has their own opinion.. mine is to run 40lb. main line for many reasons as in my previous posts... Run what ever line you want.. Happy fishing! Edited by - TheRock on 03/13/2006 23:21:44 Edited by - TheRock on 03/13/2006 23:23:42

Mr. D*an said: craven; Keep me informed as to what the problem was. I have 7160 yrds of the same....un-opened. After expierimenting w/ two reels loaded up last year, I was planning to convert all of em over for this season. Thanks. Some like it rough... Others just puke!. Mr. Dean

Mr. D*an said: craven; Keep me informed as to what the problem was. I have 7160 yrds of the same....un-opened. After expierimenting w/ two reels loaded up last year, I was planning to convert all of em over for this season. Thanks. Some like it rough... Others just puke!. Mr. Dean

C*ptain Dudds said: Alley cat, I don't think the line is 3 times what is says. I remember testing this when I was younger (really young, 12 or so), so I can't remember exactly how I tested it but I remember everything breaking before it reached the claimed strength. Try hanging two cannonballs off 30lb test and feel how tight the line is; I would put money on it breaking when you try to add that third ball. Thanks Captain Dudds

C*ptain Dudds said: Alley cat, I don't think the line is 3 times what is says. I remember testing this when I was younger (really young, 12 or so), so I can't remember exactly how I tested it but I remember everything breaking before it reached the claimed strength. Try hanging two cannonballs off 30lb test and feel how tight the line is; I would put money on it breaking when you try to add that third ball. Thanks Captain Dudds

ch*vyshaulass said: I had Berkley big game 30 pojnd test on my reels all last summer and never had any problems with it.

ch*vyshaulass said: I had Berkley big game 30 pojnd test on my reels all last summer and never had any problems with it.

f*rst strike said: Whatever you do dont argue with wolf or you'll be ZAPPED!!!!!

f*rst strike said: Whatever you do dont argue with wolf or you'll be ZAPPED!!!!!

h*ppycamper said: I'm with the rock on this one. I don't want lose a lunker on a 25 lb mainline. I don't care what the "pro's" say??????

h*ppycamper said: I'm with the rock on this one. I don't want lose a lunker on a 25 lb mainline. I don't care what the "pro's" say??????

r.s cr*ven said: we examined every guide, and they are smooth as a baby's bum. this line is defective, hope outfitter's will stand behind it. scotty

r.s cr*ven said: we examined every guide, and they are smooth as a baby's bum. this line is defective, hope outfitter's will stand behind it. scotty

r*co100 said: There is enough to go wrong without having to worry about your line. Run 40 lb test.

r*co100 said: There is enough to go wrong without having to worry about your line. Run 40 lb test.

R*d Monster said: Rico (et al): Are we talking about poor line or poor fishing technique? If you don't know how to fish, go to Safeway. ...or use downrigger line on your reel. I use 30# test on both mainlines and the leaders. I get one big spool of the good stuff (Maxima), and use it for almost everything: that way I'm certain about what strength line is on what: everything is 30. Personally, this has worked great, but I may move to 40# on leaders for the really big fish with really big sharp teeth. Have you ever retrieved your line to find a leader with nothing on the end? Last season I did have one problem when I passed the rod to my dad. He brought a very big spring (30+ and his biggest to date is half that) right to the boat. About three feet away from my waiting net, the lunker gave one last gasp and went striaght down. But while my dad's eye's grew wider at the sight of the approaching fish, his grip on the reel reached maximum strength. Well, so much for that fish. Wam! The rod smacked the gunnel and the fish was gone. I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time with guides, but I don't think there's a moral to the story. Heavier line? Maybe. Are you going to get heavier rods too? In the fall it's not uncommon for guys in passing boats to show me their broken rods when I ask how the fishing is going. Maybe they use heavy line and bring extra rods? For the record, my dad's unceremonious catch and release was accomplished with a broken leader, not a broken rod. And he did manage to catch a teenager a short while later. :) FS: Get a life. Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."

R*d Monster said: Rico (et al): Are we talking about poor line or poor fishing technique? If you don't know how to fish, go to Safeway. ...or use downrigger line on your reel. I use 30# test on both mainlines and the leaders. I get one big spool of the good stuff (Maxima), and use it for almost everything: that way I'm certain about what strength line is on what: everything is 30. Personally, this has worked great, but I may move to 40# on leaders for the really big fish with really big sharp teeth. Have you ever retrieved your line to find a leader with nothing on the end? Last season I did have one problem when I passed the rod to my dad. He brought a very big spring (30+ and his biggest to date is half that) right to the boat. About three feet away from my waiting net, the lunker gave one last gasp and went striaght down. But while my dad's eye's grew wider at the sight of the approaching fish, his grip on the reel reached maximum strength. Well, so much for that fish. Wam! The rod smacked the gunnel and the fish was gone. I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time with guides, but I don't think there's a moral to the story. Heavier line? Maybe. Are you going to get heavier rods too? In the fall it's not uncommon for guys in passing boats to show me their broken rods when I ask how the fishing is going. Maybe they use heavy line and bring extra rods? For the record, my dad's unceremonious catch and release was accomplished with a broken leader, not a broken rod. And he did manage to catch a teenager a short while later. :) FS: Get a life. Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."

r.s cr*ven said: The store agreed that ocassionaly there is a bad spool off the factory line, and i had one of them. they were good about it and re-spooled the reel free of charge. Interesting to see all the opinions over line test strength, but personally i have always used 25 lb and this was the only time i have ever broken off. (unintentionally) i have had leaders broken, but not the main line. scotty

r.s cr*ven said: The store agreed that ocassionaly there is a bad spool off the factory line, and i had one of them. they were good about it and re-spooled the reel free of charge. Interesting to see all the opinions over line test strength, but personally i have always used 25 lb and this was the only time i have ever broken off. (unintentionally) i have had leaders broken, but not the main line. scotty

*aglemaniac said: I used to use Trilene Big Game 25lb. For main and leaders. I like to fish plugs and felt the 25lb. gave my plugs a little more action. But between the seals and the fact that I have to fish down to 180ft.in the Kitty Coleman area. I have bumped it up to 30lb Big Game for both. I can see how a heavier leader 40 etc. would help with hootchies. But wonder if a lighter leader would benefit spoons. Haven't fished spoons much, but it seems to be making quite the resurgance in the last five years or so. I must say I'm a little dissapointed with the quality of the coyotes in general. But they sure seem to catch a lot of fish. Eman Edited by - Eagle Maniac on 03/14/2006 13:43:14

*aglemaniac said: I used to use Trilene Big Game 25lb. For main and leaders. I like to fish plugs and felt the 25lb. gave my plugs a little more action. But between the seals and the fact that I have to fish down to 180ft.in the Kitty Coleman area. I have bumped it up to 30lb Big Game for both. I can see how a heavier leader 40 etc. would help with hootchies. But wonder if a lighter leader would benefit spoons. Haven't fished spoons much, but it seems to be making quite the resurgance in the last five years or so. I must say I'm a little dissapointed with the quality of the coyotes in general. But they sure seem to catch a lot of fish. Eman Edited by - Eagle Maniac on 03/14/2006 13:43:14

J*andeOne said: I assume you 40 lbers still use pool cues, now it all makes sense... LMFAO!

J*andeOne said: I assume you 40 lbers still use pool cues, now it all makes sense... LMFAO!

r*therbefishin said: RED MONSTER "everything is 30. Personally, this has worked great, but I may move to 40# on leaders for the really big fish with really big sharp teeth. Have you ever retrieved your line to find a leader with nothing on the end?" I agree fully. More than once, i retrieved a leader that has been cut just above the hook. Often, i also only had one hook left on the line, the trailer hook was cut off. I have to say, that I am not all that good about checking the leaders often and retyimg new ones. Especially if i have a hot hoochy on and the fish are biting... But these problems went away when i switch to 40# leaders.

r*therbefishin said: RED MONSTER "everything is 30. Personally, this has worked great, but I may move to 40# on leaders for the really big fish with really big sharp teeth. Have you ever retrieved your line to find a leader with nothing on the end?" I agree fully. More than once, i retrieved a leader that has been cut just above the hook. Often, i also only had one hook left on the line, the trailer hook was cut off. I have to say, that I am not all that good about checking the leaders often and retyimg new ones. Especially if i have a hot hoochy on and the fish are biting... But these problems went away when i switch to 40# leaders.

k*lly said: Still dont see the problem with some guys using 40lb main. When 25lb gets knicks in it(which is near impossible not to) its going to be weak. Although most can get away with 20-25lb test why not just go a bit heavier to avoid that problem? . With that being said its pretty hard to break a fish off on 30lb if you let it run. Dont guides in the charlottes only use 25lb?

k*lly said: Still dont see the problem with some guys using 40lb main. When 25lb gets knicks in it(which is near impossible not to) its going to be weak. Although most can get away with 20-25lb test why not just go a bit heavier to avoid that problem? . With that being said its pretty hard to break a fish off on 30lb if you let it run. Dont guides in the charlottes only use 25lb?

w*lf said: Any line with a nick in it will break 20 30 40 80 lb test they all break under stress whatever test you use is what you want to use go ahead who cares insted of bitching about it go fishing for god sakes its only fishing line guys there are bigger things in the world than this seems petty to me!!!!!!!!!! Good luck Wolf

w*lf said: Any line with a nick in it will break 20 30 40 80 lb test they all break under stress whatever test you use is what you want to use go ahead who cares insted of bitching about it go fishing for god sakes its only fishing line guys there are bigger things in the world than this seems petty to me!!!!!!!!!! Good luck Wolf

R*el Deal said: Well were all waiting to really get out there and do our thing and passing time with threads as this until the real season starts ----- however Wolf as you know I fish offshore and will not jump into the forum unless I am able to contribute ( being a Tuna,Shark & Broadbill Hunter). Firstly there are only 5 mono line extruders in the world as per my information for example ( Ande Florida CO), (Maxima Calif Co) and (Tripplefish Florida Co ) are all extruded in the same factory in Germany with actual product differences in “marketing” not product - but price when all is said and done! Berkley Trilene and members of the corporate are manufactured in the USA with other extruders in South America, Australia and Japan. I guess what I’m attempting to share is that the least expensive two items in fishing are line & hooks. Line if not managed properly will bite you in the ass and your fish is gone! A slight nick, reeling up from your downrigger or mooching for the big guys and you have some kelp wrapped around your line ---- that is going to be your weak link! The next time it happens run your line which had the kelp wrapped around over your lips (sounds insane) however you will feel slight cuts in the mono. There is a saying that 10% of the fishermen catch 90% of the fish and this is due to the devil in the details. Confidence has a significant impact in what you run with line selection but it’s the maintenance of the line where the results are. Fore those of you who experience unexplainable cut-offs whether its be between the first and second hook or possible you only have 1 foot left of your leader ---- there are devils that follow the spawning runs in wolf packs ( ask any commercial troller) and they are known to follow into fresh water ---- just start googling.But stay on top of (LINE)maintenance That’s my 2 Cs!

R*el Deal said: Well were all waiting to really get out there and do our thing and passing time with threads as this until the real season starts ----- however Wolf as you know I fish offshore and will not jump into the forum unless I am able to contribute ( being a Tuna,Shark & Broadbill Hunter). Firstly there are only 5 mono line extruders in the world as per my information for example ( Ande Florida CO), (Maxima Calif Co) and (Tripplefish Florida Co ) are all extruded in the same factory in Germany with actual product differences in “marketing” not product - but price when all is said and done! Berkley Trilene and members of the corporate are manufactured in the USA with other extruders in South America, Australia and Japan. I guess what I’m attempting to share is that the least expensive two items in fishing are line & hooks. Line if not managed properly will bite you in the ass and your fish is gone! A slight nick, reeling up from your downrigger or mooching for the big guys and you have some kelp wrapped around your line ---- that is going to be your weak link! The next time it happens run your line which had the kelp wrapped around over your lips (sounds insane) however you will feel slight cuts in the mono. There is a saying that 10% of the fishermen catch 90% of the fish and this is due to the devil in the details. Confidence has a significant impact in what you run with line selection but it’s the maintenance of the line where the results are. Fore those of you who experience unexplainable cut-offs whether its be between the first and second hook or possible you only have 1 foot left of your leader ---- there are devils that follow the spawning runs in wolf packs ( ask any commercial troller) and they are known to follow into fresh water ---- just start googling.But stay on top of (LINE)maintenance That’s my 2 Cs!

w*lf said: Very well said it all comes down to what works for every body I personally run my fingers through the line as im reeling it to feel any nick than chop it off. good luck Wolf

w*lf said: Very well said it all comes down to what works for every body I personally run my fingers through the line as im reeling it to feel any nick than chop it off. good luck Wolf

C*ptain Dudds said: me too wolf, the left hand does all the line checking while retrieving. Thanks Captain Dudds